Posts tagged with "argumentation"

On Apple, FriendFeed, and Techmeme.

Date: January 5, 2009 - 7:06pm (Last updated: January 7, 2009 - 7:30pm)
Author: Mark Trapp

Although the title should make for some excellent Google bait, there were a couple topics today that seem to fit into what I've been discussing for the past couple of days. This morning, there was a lot of discussion on FriendFeed started Robert Scoble about Gabe Rivera's comments on FriendFeed founder Paul Buchheit's post on FriendFeed (hope you're still with me). From the post, Rivera said:

Nobody should count out FF. The obvious technical excellence of the team and the very impressive pace of innovation you guys have already demonstrated make that clear. But I think people are alarmed that so many people have tried the site and then abandoned it (or at least that's how it appears). I personally think the way commenting and liking works has created incentives for the wrong kind of behavior, and you might be stuck in a kind of local maximum as far as uptake until you really shake things up. But what do I know? Anyway, good luck, I'll use FF regardless (though I don't comment any more...).

This sparked some interest from Scoble, who asked Rivera to elaborate: Rivera complied, adding "leaving dumb comments will increase the attention you get. Not so on Twitter, where dumb tweets hurt your follower count." Rivera's comments mimic a good portion of things I've heard about FriendFeed (and Twitter, too, but that's not important). What was more interesting to me was the level of vitriol on FriendFeed towards comments like his. Chief among the responses to his comments were attacks against Rivera's service, Techmeme, implying and directly stating its inferiority to FriendFeed. Other responses included explanations of FrendFeed as levity to otherwise (ostensibly?) miserable online existences, or how Rivera doesn't participate therefore he'll never get it.

This was a lot of exposition: it's a very cabal-like discussion and in many ways the exposition should serve to illuminate how little importance the topic has, but I think it's an interesting case study in what not to do when arguing with someone, and here's why.

Argumentation: it's not just for trolls.

Date: September 27, 2008 - 3:19pm (Last updated: September 28, 2008 - 2:41pm)
Author: Mark Trapp

Earlier this week, I mentioned I'd be organizing what I write into different serializations, or "tracks:" today I'm going to introduce a track on argumentation. I'll be discussing how to use argumentation to not only your advantage: not necessarily to win arguments, but to find out what the best possible answer is to a problem.

What is an argument?

Most people consider an argument to be two people shouting at each other, getting angrier and angrier as time progresses. I'm going to talk about a different kind of argument: one that I hope would be more palatable to more people.

An argument is a position and a justification for that position. I think scones are the best baked good. I believe this to be true because they're dry but not too dry, you can stick various delicious things in them, and they go well with a hot beverage. That's is an argument. You may have a competing position about the superlative nature of scones: that's fine. You also probably have a good reason for believing so. That's fine also: you have a competing argument.

With me so far?

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